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At 7:31pm on January 15, 2015, steve lang said…

i avoid el dorado county @ all costs.

At 8:46am on March 1, 2013, Jim McCarter said…

Bob   did you see address etc for Larry Derrington I posted comment on your page Dec 6? Thought you may have missed it...

At 11:33pm on December 6, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

Bob   regards Larry Derrington

Madrone vineyard management

19368 Orange Ave

Sonoma 95476

Office  707 996 4012

Cell 707 332-8812

 

see Ya

At 7:41pm on December 3, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

PS? That was Carlson Plywood, and sometimes they used the NWP yard in Sonoma for their boxcar freight. I guess because there was no dock in Schellville? My  One of my older brothers did his apprenticeship at Sonoma Ford starting in 63. Not long before it had ben Whitehead like you say. He saw ERnie Coats frequently and would go over there sometimes at lunch. They hit it off good. I got first job in detail shop in summer of 65, but I think I may have only seen Ernie once or twice. Very old I thought then, I was only 16. 50 would have been old!! One time walking tracks on route to Penngrove when we were about 9 or 10), freight train was coming from up north. Moving fast and using dynamic brakes I am sure (learned why later) we decided not to stand alongside tracks (track raised, we were little they looked way up there, probably going 40 or so kind of scary) sowe slipped into a culvert under the tracks. Dumbest thing we could have done. We were too petrified to come out until it passed. The noise and ground vibration was  incredible. Thought we were going to die (sort of).  Your turn

At 7:17pm on December 3, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

Sounds like a great profession to be in. Something you can do as long as you want? I am not a member of the trucking historical groups, in fact not a member of any group until I signed on to NWPRR. My father in law (Ernie Woldemar) worked for Roy Jameson & Sons when he was not wrenching at Boitano and Meadows (Auto car, White dealer) and in the mid 50's several local dairymen started Challenge Milt Transport. He was one of the two first they hired (the other was Earl Ringlund). They all had grown up together back on ranches and hay press teams. He drove for them until 76 or 77 and retired. He also drove for (and partnered in the late 60's early 70's) with Fred Crikos and Ray Anderson when C&A was starting up. My father in law contributed a beautiful Auto Car that he had gone through end to end. He ended up selling it to C&A when he sold out. The wives were too involved, did not work out . All those trucks through 77 were twin stick spicers. Towards the end of his career, they bought a few new 76 Kenworths (they always had Peterbuilts with 220's) with big bore 250's. He was excited at first because they always pulled doubles and the run to Humbolt creamery was hard pulls, and hethought oh boy, little more horsepower. But the mechanic convinced the owners that they would last much longer if he cut the horsepower back. So thats what they did, and my father in law said I think time has come  see ya! With all his overtime and double jobs, he had earned his full retirement by 57. So he moved to oregon, got a couple of acres, tractor orchard and motor home and lived happily ever after!!!  I will get phone number aned contact info for Larry this week for you. Do you remember the engineer? Some train crew were alot more friendly to kids that others. Tar weed? You are the first person that I have ever heard mention they loved the smell. I loved it too, and whenever I smell it in summer, it reminds me of those hot lazy summer days when we were kids and would comb all the neighboring ranches with a 22 or little bow and arrow. Never shot anything but cans and bottles, but it was summer fun. Sometimes walk the tracks up into Penngrove, go to the general store, prop the 22 on the outside of the building by the door, and go in and buy whatever (candy, coke, 22 shells). We would have been 12 through about 14 when we quit doing that. Then it was cool to ride a Honda up there, or anywhere else we could. Kinda got tired of looking for frogs and turtles too.  Rather go look for girls!! Catch was they did not want us to look for them. One time in Vegas took a city tour, I think we may have gone to that chocolate factory? I will have to think about that one.  Have fun in Vegas.. until then see ya

At 10:13pm on November 28, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

bob   It was Ron Harrah who passed away, but DON Harrah is who I meant to say is fine and doing well. I did not know Jim Derrington ever drove for Groskopff.  What kind of work do you do? Talk about finger shift, my father in law  would stick one arm through the steering wheel so that he could "massage" both sticks at the same time split shifting. He would use the palm of his hands. hands looked like catchers mitt, but would not grind a gear. He would be into it so deep, the expression on his face looked like he was dissarming a bomb.anyway, I got to go too, so I will wait till I here from you when you can..

At 10:42pm on November 27, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

Somebody else who just died was Ron Harrah. Bother Ron still fine. As for Scott family, Elmer had a few hundred acres down Corona road on both sides of the track. When 101 went through, they wanted 30 or so acres from Elmer. He fought it and lost of course, but he did get them to value it per acre for the same price he had sold just 2 to Oberg lumber at the back corner of his ranch. About where  Cattlemans is. He took the money and bought the Elphick ranch off old adobe and the Hardin ranch off old adobe later. He kept selling land off Corona (post office and all that commercial land in that are) for more and bigger money. Bought dairy on Roblar road and moved dairy out there. Son Mark runs it. Had cattle only up in mountains off adobe. He invited us to come up and watch part of the filming of CUJO at the Hardin ranch, because there was something about the old house and ranch that filmmakers liked. If there was other films made their I would believe it, just never knew it.  Never knew of any property

 in Sonoma though. I met a Bobby Scott in Sonoma. Ranch hand to Stu Lambert, but was no connection to the Scotts over on corona or old adobe. Sometime around 1970 Elmers oldest son Ron tried to commit suicide by. Elkmer shooting himself in mouth. Bad job and ended up in hospital many months in vegetative state, and then died.  Elmer had nervose breakdown and semi retired. His other two sons Mark and Tom kind of took over asElmer just lost interest. Before I get cut off, if you got called in for extra duty, then you are not retired. So, lived in Tahoe since 71, Family? what kind of work do you do?What took you to Tahoe?How and why so interested in a many railroads etc..not trying to be too nosey, but if it is I understand.        your turn.. 

At 10:16pm on November 27, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

IF YOU INSIST...if you left willowbrook, climbed ely hill and went another 200 yards there would be a private road to your left, ours, and you would travel east on it about 1/4 and thats where are place is. yoiu cannot see it from ely unless you go another 1/4 and look left and back. anyway, you talk about manure spreader, well we we out of the chicken business by 55 completely. we had 31 houses, about 2/3 were built 1915 to 1922 and were 16 x56, then in 24 built 10 more 20 x60.  by the late fifties we started tearing them all down and giving tthe lumber to anyone who asked and burning others. by 59 a neighbors kid wanted to expand his dads ranch cause they we going broke. he asked us if he could rent the 10 bigger ones. my dad told him they could use them for free, because he did not think they could make enough money to pay rent anyhow. Where I come in is I got to clean them for free for the non rent payers and we had an old 35 chev 1 1/2 4sp . old golden eagle feed truck. anyway we would shovel all the "stuff" on the back of the truck and one of my brothers would drive it out into our field. Petaluma, summer, afternoon wind you got it. he would usually drive  with the wind while i tried to shovel broadcast into the wind. all that sh**dust would fly back and stick to me. always ended up in fight, i always lost, still had shovel too. I would have been 11 at that time, never got to drive it. Dad said wasn"t worth license, and we blew clutch, times tight parked it. never ran again. Had 33 dodge pickup on ranch too. suicide doors  and windshield cranked open. good little truck. gave it to Dr bob osteroff (car nut) who gave it to some guy if SF who restored it and used it for delivery/show truck. Some deli or sandwich shop. Still around so I hear. When we were kids we drove that thing all over the ranch like a dune buggy, even me. floor shift 3sp,  whine bad in low. My grandfaather bought it new in El Paso on a vacation trip in 33. had it shipped to petaluma via SP.  Jim Derrington passed away last year or so. still see Larry, works for vineyard company as head mechanic. Poor old Jim went downhill fast after he sold that station. Used to come to our store, hangout,BS, and just wait for someone to come in and talk to him.  Sold for big money, broke his heart as it was his life.

      will continue

At 9:01pm on November 26, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

Sorry, but one more.  Tommy Ladd went through a period of years as a kid hanging out at the depot with my dad. My dad used to kid they he felt like he was raising him. Anyway, something was up at the Ladd home, but my dad would never tell us.Whatever it was, Tommy wanted to stay as long as he could. Of course it was against company rules, but my dad got along well with the master mechanic who would allow it, but my dad was always carefull so any person would not get hurt. Anyway, Tommy had a thing for electrical stuff and my dad would give him relays, solenoids, knife switches when he had used ones. Even an old radio cell and lantern batteries. Then, my dad would see Tommy over at Arnold field and never thought much about it until the police showed up at the depot and asked my dad if he ever saw anybody overthere because electrical stuff was being stolen. My dad said no, I never see anybody, but he suspected Tommy. So later he had a sincere chat with Tommy, who denied it of course. Then one day the police came up and parked in the depot lot, whiole they went over to arnold field to check it out. While they were gone, somebody stole the radio out of the police car!!!! They again asked my dad, any idea and of course he said no idea. He knew by that time it sure was Tommy, but he kept it to himself and was going to get on Tommy next time he saw him to quit doing that stuff, its wrong etc. Somehow the cops decided to go over to the house and found the radio and lots of other stuff and he got in big trouble. His parents would not ever let him go back to the trainyard, as my dad thought they thought it or he was bad influence. He never saw Tommy again, and it hurt him alot because he really liked Tommy. By the time Tommy would have been old enough to come back on his own, the depot was closed.  Now it is your turn again

At 8:35pm on November 26, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

Bob you may have got cut of because your story ended with Ernie Coats and primer.  The rest was great. I knew your  cousin Franklin from Petaluma auto parts. I was there from 68 to 77. Helen Putnam was a teacher at our two room country schoolhouse called Waugh School on the corner of corona and old adobe road. My dad was a trustee there for 15 years with two ither ranchers Elmer Scott and Bill Drew. Helen used to come to oour house on shool business , but they would bs until after we had to go to bed. They exchanged xmas cards with letters up until the end. Great lady, real charachter. Scared me sort of with all the bracelets though. Every year we had a clean up at school. All the neighbors came and worked. It would be in August and at the end of the day they would have a big bonfire and weenie and marshmello roast. My dad would drive our farmall with sickle bar up their and mow all over. About 4th grade he started to tell little stories about his back was sore or he had to get home for some reason, so he needed me to drive it home. His last words would be something like "now, be damn careful and don"t do something dumb. stay to the side of the road. If I hear anything from anybody that you were goofing off, I'll give you a licking when you get home".  Needless to say, I would drive it strictly business (he never gave us a licking anyway, but the fear of one was enough) and of course everybody would pass me and wave. You talk about big stuff and feeling 10 feet tall. That was the real reason to have me do it, I just didn't see through it. We had our place off ely road, about a mile from corona. Over the hill are the nwp tracks and willow brook feed mill. My grandfather started the ranch in 1915 and my dads older brother started the Penngrove Hatchery about 1924. So, by 1936 all my dad did was work on the ranch. Seemed everyone had money, except my dad, he got room and board so he decided to setoff and find a trade at 22, had an uncle in El Paso at SP general shop, said they were hiring apprentices. 10,000 hours was the term. So he did and about the time he was a jouneyman machinist the war started soon after and he was frozen on the job. He had met my mother and had my two older brothers already, so after all the overtime during the war (6 days, 10-12 hours each) alot of it welding, he made the choice after the war to come back to the ranch and raise his family, thought the ranch was a better place to raise a family. Chickens failed by 53 so went to NWP in Tiburon. They put him in Sonoma where he stayed till 68 when they closed it. Transfered tp Petaluma, but there they wanted him to take on the extra work that one old guy did, and the old guy would be let go. He refused so they stuck him on MOW for awhile, but he feklt he did not fit there so he quit. Tried WP in Oroville, but they were not like SP so he ended up with SP in west oakland till 78 when he retired. Still lived on the ranch though, never wanted to move.  Got off the track though, there was a McClure family on Old Adobe road. I swear, I was told by my dad that one of the McClures drove a crawler up onto the sidewalk in Penngrove. Went into the bar, got more toasted then got a haircut next door. By that time the sheriff cameby and asked him if he was through. McClure said yes and drove it on home. I guess all those stories are going away. Also, by 78-80 I remember Pellandini's had Petes all decked out, but they were conventionals. How about Joe Kiser, Paul Norrbom, Bill Montini, Ray mulas? I still see those guys alot.  Your turn   Jim

At 12:19pm on November 26, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

Bob, these are great stories. I think we might be about the same age, I am 63. I grew up on the family chicken ranch in Petaluma and in 68 went to work at Petaluma auto parts (partially to pay off a bill I made overhauling my 57 ford while driving a truck for Rossi freight in the city). My parents gave us an acre to build a house on which I did in 74-75 (myself, pretty slow) where I still live. I started Sonoma Auto Parts in 77 (used to be Sonoma Valley motor parts ) on west napa st. Still have it, not there every day though. Try to get my kids interested, but so far no luck. From the very start I was partial to the ranchers and truckers, so I would go to their places and try to get to know them. My father in law had a career driving milk tanker for challenge out of Petaluma, so he would give me stories to get familiar with guys like the Keisers, Leveroni, Groskopf, Mulas and more. Trouble was, they were a generation ahead and many retired or not active so I got to know their kids. Broccos was another you speak of. Know Mike and Ron, and remember their dad and uncle. Something tells me or I heard, read or? that you had a connection with Triangle Body. Pat still there, if I see him I could ask but I am not there enough to catch him. The clydesdales I see now are on the old Ferreria dairy (now converting to vineyard). they gather at a gate off the highway waiting for feed I guess. i used to see a group off Watmaugh rd accross from williams y. I don"t suppose any connection? Castagnasso owned the field there back then I guess. One Castaggnasso would come in to the store up until a couple of years ago and I believe he has since passed. He was very old and thin. Hard worker I am sure. Never knew his first name as he was very quiet said very little and did not want to talk much when I would ask questions. same with Gary Keiser. doesn"t say a whole lot. Rich, on the other hand might as well bring his lunch. anyway, I am rambling. I bet I know you if I see you. Trouble is I remember part numbers and faces well, names not so good. Besides, alot of guys come in but not often, and have forever but they pay cash, not check or charge so I have a hard time getting their last name as well without being too nosey. I remember Tom Ladd when he worked for Groskopf but then lost track of him. Sorry to hear he might of passed. Got a couple of funny stories about him. Always liked him. Maybe you remember old Ernie Coates that had the ford dealer and lived behind Sonoma ford on broadway? He must have been 90 when I was in high school...and old Simms the barber? son Loren still comes in now and then. Anyway, got to go spray weeds before it gets windy.Talk to you again    Jim

At 10:14pm on November 25, 2012, Richard A Custer said…

Bob all I remember about Tom Ladd is he had I think one or two old sister and a younger brother, I do not remember there names. I do remember meeting Toms parent, also I think one of my parents when to school was Toms parents too?

At 9:30pm on November 25, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

Bob  thanks for getting back to me.  When I saw your discussion along time back it really hit home. My dad loved kids and seemed to know what really interested boys because he was so curious and loved mechanical things all his life. I had two older brothers and I think their and my friends came to our place to see our dad more than us.  I would bet he knew Anton because he truly loved blacksmith work. During WWll he was a machinist and also spent alot of time welding for SP as they would have alot of flat spots on the steam engines coming down grade overloaded into El Paso with military loads. We never had a set of bottles or anything on the ranch,so many times he would come home from work in Sonoma with some blacksmith ironwork, but I don't ever recall any name. It could have been Anton because he had {or could} go out to schellville for an excuse. He also was pretty outgoing and I am sure he would have been in Antons shop.  You know so much about Sonoma history that I enjoy reading your comments and pictures.  Thank you very much. Ps  You speak of Castignacio and the clydsdale horses. Did you ever hear about the time he rode in the car with his horses and they shoved him onto a siding. When he slid the car door open and stuck his head out at the same time they bumped the car and the door pinched his head? For the most part he was ok, and after that my dad said they yoused to kid him that was one time he used his head?    thanks again   Jim

At 8:06pm on November 24, 2012, Jim McCarter said…

bob  i am new at this. remember your story about riding your bike up to the sonoma yard where the mechanic would let you on the engines "as long as you dont touch any swithes"?  that mechanic was my father roy mccarter at sonoma from 54 to 68   regards jim mccarter

At 5:43pm on January 5, 2012, Zachary M. Toler said…

Bob, I was in four hospitals for about five months awhile back. I rarely seen nurses/CNAs/RTs/PTs & OTs not gowned up when a room was in isolation, but I did see one doctor out of 19 or so I had, and this particular Dr. thought he was immune to CDIF, MRSA, and other nasty stuff that was going around. It was interesting to see the different germ control policies at different facilities, as one ICU required my parents and visitors to put on these disposable boot things only, while another facility made them gown-up and put on gloves in isolation, but not cover their feet. One nurse there tried to explain that "Nothing which touches the floor goes back on the patients' bed," yeah right! The call lights act like a magnet as far as going on the floor!

 

   Regards, 

Zachary M. Toler

At 12:04pm on August 31, 2011, Trevor McGinnis said…
Bob:

The layout is approximately seventeen feet by eleven feet and will have two tiers. The lower tier starts off in stagging (Schellville). Trains enter the layout in Petaluma go under Highway 101 and on into Penngrove. The trains continue on into Cotati then they disappear behind the backdrop (Petaluma). The trains will go up to the second level and enter Rohnert Park. They will go on to Todd Siding and then into Santa Rosa. After Santa Rosa the trains go into stagging (Windsor/Cloverdale). I am using creative license in Cotati and Rohnert Park. I am placing a passing siding here and some small industires to switch for more operational interest. I know there are no sidings at these points or even any industries in these towns. I am expanding Santa Rosa to include a significant yard and locomotive servicing facilities. Once again, I know the NWP does not have these items in Santa Rosa. Petaluma will be pretty realistic tough. The Spanish Style Station by Walthers Cornerstone will be my stand-in for Petaluma Station. There is a nice Taco Bell kit made by Summit Scale Models that I want to purchase. I will use the Walthers concrete street sections and NJ International crossing signals to model the intersection of Lakeville Highway and Washington Street near the Petaluma Station. I still consider myself a beginner when it comes to model railroading and am not ready to scratchbuild the real Petaluma Station at this time. I want to also add an industry or two in Petaluma so that the freight trains have some switching to do while they are in town. My plans for Penngrove are to have some sort of large mill complex to switch. I saw a good sized one on Google Satelite Maps. I don't know which company it is or what the nearest cross street is, but it looks cool froom the air. Walthers makes some pretty close looking grain complex kits that I might be able to model this industry close to the real thing. I will not scratch build Santa Rosa station at t
At 11:20pm on August 30, 2011, Trevor McGinnis said…
Bob my layout will depict the NWP from Petaluma to Santa Rosa. I will have a staging yard for Novato/Scheville and another one for Windsor/Cloverdale. I will use a lot of creative license for my operation plan. I am going to model the NWP as if it survived after 1996 and on into the mid 2000's. I have half of my locomotives that I plan to use. The NWP units will be painted in the black widow scheme using Microscale decal sets. However, I do have an undecorated Proto 2000 EMD GP 9 that is begging me to model it after NWP #1922.
At 12:47pm on August 30, 2011, Trevor McGinnis said…
Bob:

Thanks for the welcome message. It appears that you have indeed visited the Modesto area of the state. Anyway, i am looking forward to being a part of this group. I am currently uilding an HO Scale model railroad of the NWP in my garage. This group will help me with my plans and give me great advice. I am pretty much done with the benchwork and have the plywood top installed for the first tier of the layout. I have also installed the backdrop supporting structure. I still need to fill in the screw holes and paint it somoe sort of sky blue. I hope to get this done over the three-day weekend. The next step will be for me to install the upper tier support brackets and plywood top.
At 1:06pm on August 25, 2011, Jennifer said…
Indeed it is Bob.  Robert Dollar 3; and yes it's very much worth the drive.  NCRY  is a priceless resource and so much fun :-)
At 1:45pm on January 23, 2011, wallace lourdeaux said…
bob my email is lourdeaux@hotmail.com iam at home the next few days if you would like to talk when did you grandfather move to schellville did he live at 574 folsom in sf and work as a clerk before that time did he ever own a boat if so what kind what years did he go to alaska what did he do there fix dories with janson what was his alaskan nick name did he drink or smoke if so what brands well enough for now i would love to talk to you

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