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I seem to remember reading a discussion of nice paint jobs on some NWP steam which included a two tone green in 1920, (not the greens on 112 now).  Anyone know what shades of green they actually were?

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Comment by powerpawsnw on December 8, 2011 at 2:02pm

Ooops, I meant to use the abbreviation 2TG not 22G... ;0) Typing too fast...

Comment by powerpawsnw on December 8, 2011 at 2:01pm

Nobody really knows. 112 never ever wore the 22G, that being solely applied to the NWPs select group of Alco-Schnectady 4-4-0s and a few others including one of the narrow gauge locos. Sadly, no preserved official samples of the greens seem to survive anywhere, and I would imagine that the NWP painter(s) hand-mixed the colors since so little of it was needed. Logic and stylistic popularity of locomotive green paints used elsewhere in that era -- say, on the D&RGW as one example -- suggest that the darker green may have been an olive of one sort or another, while the lighter green does look (in old photos) to be a slightly neutral jade hue. But it's very hard to say for certain. Lettering on one or two photographic examples appears to be gold-gilt "leaf" outlined in black or maybe red pinstripes. NWP emplem types on tenders vary from locomotive to locomotive so painted. One has an odd "lazy" triangle variant of the NWP medallion, with a slogan inside its outer band. Others have only otherwise normal-type NWP initials and markings and no logo. Fred Stindt swore to me that the (peculiar to my eyes at least) tan painted boiler jacket applied to the Bethlehem Steel-ized 112 was based on some eyewitness report given to him by the late NWP steam engineer Willis Silverthorn. I have serious doubts about the credibility of that, however. A hard look at the handful of historic photographs of the 22G-dressed 4-4-0s show only American iron (similar to planished Russia iron but US-made) boiler jackets during that particular period, whether or not the engines were in the 22G colors. The same locomotives were generally delivered with America iron jackets, and as long as the NWP retained that metal for that purpose (at least to circa 1935) I can't account for tan paint on boilers. I think we have an early "urban legend" here... The same basic problem applies to the way my dear pal Mr. Stindt had the last NWP "Harriman" coach (now in CSRM's collection) dressed by Bethlehem before all R&LHS-owned rolling stock and motive power was presented to the State of California. He had NWP medallions applied to the coach's sides, but historic photos in no way support that feature. Similarly, the "Never Without Public regard" service slogans on her interior bulkheads looks really sweet, but it's questionable whether this specific car ever was so outfitted. Fred attested that slogan was applied to "some" NWP passenger cars but he never told me, despite my gentle prodding, which ones. Not at all unrelated was the Bethlehem Steel rehab (I can't call it a bona fide restoration) of the ex-NPC caboose that became NWP 5591 and that has since been donated by CSRM to the SPCRR/Society for Preservation of Carter Railroad Resources at Ardenwood (Fremont) CA. The poor 5591 was a major basket case when it got sent down to South SF for its cosmetic rebirth. Its beauty was afterwards very much skin deep only. No attempt had been made to ascertain any of its historic colors from what little was left on the ultra-weathered car -- it having sat unshielded outdoors at Samuel Taylor State Park for a long time before the R&LHS won its tattered carcass. The Bethlehem people went wild with a rotary sander to strip away most of its thick and alligatored interior paint, ruining the walls with spiral gouges. That was bondo-ed and smoothed somewhat then sprayed with new interior colors based on who knows what. The exterior was reclad in grooved plywood and painted bright yellow. The yellow is loosely correct, but thatr's all that can be fairly said. The chassis was largely made up from bits and pieces of former West Side Lumber Company logging car hardware, and the trucks and couplers came from WSL scrap, too. The end platforms were poor quality reproductions not properly tied (structurally, under tension) with the underframe sills and truss rods. Hand grabs were mostly made from bent pipe rather than solid forged iron. SPCRR has been laboriously reversing the mechanic

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