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http://www.marinij.com/novato/ci_25323222/smart-track-work-begins-m...

There are some good pictures.

The author asserts that some of the rails and ties are from the 1920's but that doesn't soudn right to me. Don't ties only last 20-30 years? And don't rails have to be pulled out too because they weaken through interal corrosion?

It says that the San Rafael work won't begin for at least a year, this year being dedicated to completing the line in Marin to Civic Center. So big changes are finalyl about to occur.

Your thoughts on the issues raised in the article.

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Comment by steve lang on October 23, 2014 at 8:16pm

discovered 2 sumwut recently installed concrete supports aligned just E uv the ROW break N uv SFDrake. much heavy equipmnt activity S uv SFD & N uv elevated ROW section N uv ROW drawbrij. supervisory construction staff sed the concrete supports on N side wer for yet to b built walkway. lengthy stretch of 2 rail ROW set in concrete or asfalt holds firm against "walkway" trajectory. 

Comment by Tommy Tommy on March 17, 2014 at 1:07pm

Dave, That's funny. As I searched unsuccessfully for date nails in San Rafael my mind was wandering to all the RR tie steps at family's houses that I would have to look at.

Comment by Dave S. on March 17, 2014 at 12:57pm

I have some retaining walls in my backyard constructed (by the previous homeowner) with old RR ties.  A few years ago I pulled a few date nails out, but don't know what I did with them.  I'll see if I can find them and post pictures if I do.

Comment by Tommy Tommy on March 15, 2014 at 9:01pm

I looked over the depot area and SMith Ranch Rd. rail ties and couldn't find any date nails Dave. From google search it sounds like date nails weren't in use everywhere and esp. after wwII petered out. Have you seen any on NWP ties? 

Comment by Tommy Tommy on March 15, 2014 at 3:17pm

Well, I took a look at some San Rafael rails--Irwin and Civic Center. Dates are from the 1920's and 30's. I don't think this tells us anything about when the rails were installed though. For example, at Irwin the dates of adjacent rails range from 1923-33. Obviously that's a spot that's been changed a lot and probably moved quite recently (circa 1970) so the RR is obviously using rail that's pre-war everywhere. Not much help.

Comment by Dave S. on March 15, 2014 at 9:05am

Yes, it would be great to get the dates of the rails (and photos!) before they're pulled up.

Harder to find:  wooden ties usually have a nail hammered into them with the year of manufacture.  These nails will be easier to find after the ties are pulled out and stacked.

Comment by Chad Gustafson on March 15, 2014 at 7:32am

They should have them.. I'd imagine a few have been cut down and don't have the markings. If the lighting is alright today I'll see if I can snap a picture of the rail in Windsor. 

Comment by Tommy Tommy on March 14, 2014 at 9:22pm

do dates appear on all rails? I guess I've never looked carefully at sides of rails. I have inspected the labels of the tie plates and sutch. 

Comment by David L ILLICH on March 14, 2014 at 8:13pm

look on the side of the rail

Comment by Tommy Tommy on March 14, 2014 at 4:41pm

hmm. where do you find the dates? I'd like to go look at some of these tracks before pulling up. 

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