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Is the Northern End still in consideration for reopening service to Eureka?

I was wondering if service would ever return to the northern end of the railroad, as they have returned to the southern portion of the line. I know it would take a lot of cash and a lot of repair work, but could it be done? I think it could be done. I would like to see trains running north again, even if it is in the distant future. 

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Comment by Andrew Roth on Friday

Emilio we've been over this before: I wouldn't expect any service to return to the line north of Cloverdale at all. SMART will eventually get to Cloverdale, but that's about it. Yes, in today's world the route can be fully repaired and brought up to current FRA operating standards, but as you said, it would cost a pretty penny. With today's technology, anything can be done for the right price. It's just a matter of how willing you (the railroad) are to spend massive amounts of money on it (all while running trains and paying employees to run said trains). It would cost A LOT, and the question to be asked is: is it worth it?

Rebuilding a railroad is all about cost vs benefit. The benefit has to be greater than the cost for something to happen, and there is no benefit currently there. The lumber industry has, for the most part, run dry. Establishing a new industry up there to serve would likely come with a lot of legal hurdles to jump. So combined, you have legal hurdles, an expensive price tag, and very little to gain from it all. No railroad would go for that, especially a small one with very shallow pockets! So my advice: don't hold your breath. If it does happen, it will be a very long time before trains run. 

Comment by Bob Cleek on March 9, 2017 at 6:52pm

Not Harbor Freight, but Multipower International:  http://www.multipowerinternational.com/standard.html

Latest steam engine built in China was in 1999:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNn0HVBlQI

Comment by Dave S. on March 9, 2017 at 6:45pm

It's only a nine month ban.  And knowing those two countries, there will be cheating.

Wonder if Harbor Freight carries those Chinese steam engines?  :)

Comment by Bob Cleek on March 9, 2017 at 6:39pm

The Chinese just imposed sanctions on North Korea:  They aren't buying any coal from North Korea anymore.  That constituted about 30% of North Korea's total exports, over a billion dollars a year.  China is going to have to buy its coal from someplace else now.  Who knows?  Maybe from us.  (And while they are transitioning to diesel power, they still are running steam engines, Chinese copies of our WWII era Pacifics, IIRC.  They have lots of these for sale, some made as recently as the late 1990's and full parts inventories.  Just the ticket for a steam excursion operation on the NWP up to Willits!)

Comment by Dave S. on March 9, 2017 at 6:23pm

Interesting article about coal export from California ports.  Note:  It is impossible to discuss this issue properly without getting into the politics of it:

http://richmondconfidential.org/2016/09/20/as-oakland-rejects-coal-...

At recent consumption rates, the US has proven coal reserves of at least 250 years.  However, it is estimated that we have total coal resources which, if recovered, would last several thousand years.  Bring back those steam engines!

Comment by Dave S. on March 9, 2017 at 6:01pm

With the enlarged Panama Canal locks, now operating, the largest container ships can sail directly to Gulf Coast states, bypassing Pacific ports altogether.  That will take the pressure off of West Coast ports and render a Humbolt container port moot, IMHO.

This has all be discussed multiple times here previously.  For example:

http://nwprr.net/profiles/blog/show?id=3290209%3ABlogPost%3A103079&...

Since the Obama EPA shutdown nearly all coal-fired electric generation plants, a fraction of that coal is being exported now.  Perhaps Federal policy will change under Trump.  I believe Richmond has a coal export terminal (in addition to the Aggregate terminal Bob mentions?), but neighbors are complaining about dust.

Comment by Bob Cleek on March 9, 2017 at 5:29pm

Chad, you're correct on a Humbolt intermodal container terminal.  It does take longer to get containers from Humboldt out to the national rail system.  That said, I'm guessing that it is still a lot less expensive to save a day at sea even accounting for a day on the rails.  It isn't just the time, but the "time is money" factor.  With ships, they do all they can to keep them moving with short turnaround times because they're so expensive to operate on a per diem basis.  Also, it doesn't have to be about intermodal containers, either.  There are specialty 'break bulk" cargoes that would be suitable.  These require terminals of their own.  (A new aggregate terminal was built in Richmond.)  Who knows what might be suitable on that score, but the fact is there's got to be traffic to make restoring the line worthwhile.  Container traffic has had its ups and downs and fluctuates with the economy, of course.  Over the long haul, however, I think it is only going to increase and there isn't any more room on the West Coast other than Humboldt for container terminal expansion, as far as I know at the moment.

Comment by Dave S. on March 9, 2017 at 2:47pm

Bummer is right.  It was an uphill battle almost from the start.

Plenty of opinions on the OrCem project here:

http://www.timesheraldonline.com/search?text=orcem&sort=modifie...

Comment by Chad Glover on March 9, 2017 at 2:09pm
Dave, do you have any specifics as to why it was voted down? Bummer as I thought this would be a go
Comment by Dave S. on March 9, 2017 at 1:34pm

"Maybe build an oil refinery or a coal transloading facility because the folks up in Washington and Oregon are tired of all the coal dust being dumped by the carloads along their rivers and coast."

SRB:  haven't you answered your own question already?

A refinery?  Yeah, that will fly.  Even desalination plants are opposed in lower parts of the state where water has been scarce.

Radical environmentalists in this state will even block the construction of a baby formula factory, throwing out words like "hazardous", "toxic", and "cancer causing" without the slightest sliver of evidence.  So there will be no "toxic" tanker trains of Similac on the NWP either.

Shrill screams and political intimidation from these people just this week managed to kill a Green Cement factory slated for an industrial site in Vallejo:

http://www.orcem.com/vallejo_project.html

This factory was planning on running 100 car trains daily on the CFNR, then was forced to reduce to multiple 50 car trains, but the project was killed Monday night by people who's only job it seems is to show up at meetings and protest every form of taxpaying economic development except residential artist lofts.

To these people all industry is bad and all business is evil.  These radicals even want all dairy farms out of west Marin so they can have Point Reyes for themselves.  Unfortunately, these people have all the time in the world to do battle for these selfish NIBY causes while the rest of us are out earning.  it's gone way too far.

(OrCem is considering an appeal of the Planning Commission decision that ran 6 to 1 against them.  I wish them luck.)

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