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Automatic Block Signal System
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Group,I tried doing a forum search for "automatic block signals" and didn't find anything so I was wondering if this subject has even come up before.Did the Southern Pacific ever install any…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Dave S. Feb 20.

The Mystery Of The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad
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Group, Yeah. The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad which I’ll simply refer to as the H & E, it really is a mystery. I have reached out to nearly a half dozen people in the Eureka area that will not…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Fred M. Cain Feb 20.

A Most Unforgettable Ride On The North Coast Daylight
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Group,I have made several posts on here trying to find interest it getting the line north of Willits rebuilt.  I hope and pray that will happen someday.  But right now I’d like to try and pry open a…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Jeff Moore Feb 11.

The Dream Lives On
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Group,Here is a link to a newspaper article on the Humboldt Eastern Railroad. …Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Fred M. Cain Feb 7.

 

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Richard C. Brand and Fred M. Cain are now friends
Mar 22
Fred M. Cain replied to Jeff Moore's discussion Slip Sliding Away in the Eel River Canyon
"Well, it's not 1964 YET but the news keeps getting worse and worse.  A new powerful storm is supposed to hit this weekend (March 1 - 3) and indeed, as of March 1st early a.m. the first outer band of showers is coming onshore at…"
Mar 1
Fred M. Cain replied to Jeff Moore's discussion Slip Sliding Away in the Eel River Canyon
"Well, shoot!  Here we go again folks.  Just in case anyone in California hasn't noticed yet, please let me assure you that the drought is OVER.   It was reported on the TRAINS Magazine forum on my NWP News thread here:…"
Feb 28
Dave S. left a comment for Fred M. Cain
"Fred: You wrote "I think he stated in there that the third rail was placed on redwood blocks instead of porcelain insulators.  That surprised me. I have always wondered if they had voltage loss issues in periods of wet…"
Feb 20
Dave S. replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion Automatic Block Signal System
"At Burdell there were actually two types of signals: 1)  Red/Green dwarf signals at the spring switches at each end of the very long siding to protect facing point moves over the spring switches. 2)  Pole mounted white signals which (as…"
Feb 20
Alex replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion Automatic Block Signal System
"As I remember the siding at Burdell was where the scale was located. The signals in question indicated if speed across scale was correct. they were white in color and would either flash or stay on steady to indicate speed."
Feb 20
Dave S. replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion Automatic Block Signal System
"I would imagine that the number of crossarms on those wayside poles is proportional to the number of telephone circuits, and perhaps some additional circuits for local signalling purposes.  In San Rafael I think today there still stands one or…"
Feb 20
Fred M. Cain replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion Automatic Block Signal System
"Dave, Hmmmn.  You've got me to wondering.  There may have been some signals, I don't know.  I have this vague memory - ant it's really vague so maybe I shouldn't even mention it - but I thought I saw what looked…"
Feb 20
Fred M. Cain replied to Paul Gardner's discussion Great Redwood Trail
"Dave, Thanks for posting this.  I scanned through the interesting story and looked at most of the pictures many of which were actually not directly railroad related. The main take I got off of this is what I have suspected all along:  In…"
Feb 20
Dave S. replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion Automatic Block Signal System
"Fred:  I would also like a definitive account of signal systems on the NWP, so if you find that let me know. But we can assume that the NWP was mostly dark territory. The interurban system definitely had them:  various generations of…"
Feb 20
Fred M. Cain replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion The Mystery Of The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad
"Richard & Group, Well, basically a group of influential business people are pushing hard to attract new industry to the Humboldt Bay area.  The lumber industry is for all intents and purposes dead.  They are focusing on the development…"
Feb 20
Richard C. Brand replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion The Mystery Of The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad
"Fred: I'm in the same boat with Jennifer.  What is "this plan"?"
Feb 19
Fred M. Cain replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion The Mystery Of The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad
"Jen, Wellllll, I need to study my materials some more.  By just glancing over them so far, I am beginning to reassess my view that the whole project is nothing more than an absurd, pie-in-the-sky pipe dream.  The whole project is…"
Feb 19
Jennifer replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion The Mystery Of The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad
"Well Fred, I went from "what the heck?" to total confusion in less than a day, lol. Best of luck with your shortline railroad then?  I guess?   :-) Jen"
Feb 19
Fred M. Cain replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion The Mystery Of The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad
"Well, group, now I have to eat crow and take back a lot of what I'd stated on here.  Mr. Bertrain finally, finally, finally got back to me.  He sent me some materials that I'm going to have to review and take a few days to…"
Feb 19
Jennifer replied to Fred M. Cain's discussion The Mystery Of The Humboldt & Eastern Railroad
"Thank you for the info/legwork Fred.  Pffew?  Jeeziz what a charlie foxtrot though... Jen"
Feb 18

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At 3:06pm on February 20, 2019, Dave S. said…

Fred:

You wrote "I think he stated in there that the third rail was placed on redwood blocks instead of porcelain insulators.  That surprised me. I have always wondered if they had voltage loss issues in periods of wet weather."

From all the photos I have seen, it appears that the NWP third rail was simply mounted to the top of wooden 4x4's, only a few inches above grade level.  Wood isn't a good insulator, but pure rainwater isn't a good conductor either.  There had to be significant power losses, but maybe not enough to worry about.

Someone posted an old article on here which described operations between Sausalito and Alto during periods of "super" tides where sea water reached the third rail.  Don't know how it could possibly work at all, but apparently they did operate even when the track was submerged in the Richardson Bay (Pickleweed Inlet) area of Mill Valley.  Arcing, sparking, buzzing, and intermittent motion due to the uneven power.

At 12:20pm on February 16, 2019, Dave S. said…

Fred:  Like your new picture!  Too bad that the lower semaphore isn't clearly visible due to the tree in the background.

Those lower-quadrant signals are similar to what was on the NWP during the interurban days.  Upper-arm had a pointed tip, however.  Also, the NWP used some color light signals on the interurban line as well, probably in later years.

At 10:51pm on February 12, 2019, Jeff Moore said…

Fred- I'm pretty sure I can predict what they had to say to you, but sure, feel free to send it along.  If you'd like feel free to drop me a line at mccloudrails@gmail.com, that might expedite some communication...   Thanks, Jeff

At 8:54am on February 12, 2019, Dave S. said…

I guarantee you that e-mail you received was a totally automated "bounce" e-mail.

NEVER answer the phone from callers unknown, open, or reply to e-mails like this. 

Whenever there a bitcoin wallet number given you can look it up online and determine whether it is associated with a spam campaign.  Hint:  they all are.

I hope all of these jerk-wads rot in hell!

At 8:45am on February 12, 2019, Dave S. said…
At 8:41am on February 12, 2019, Dave S. said…
At 8:36am on February 12, 2019, Dave S. said…

OK, don't panic!  This James Pollard character (a pseudonym for sure) has set up accounts on multiple social media sites and has written the same pitch below and others, probably to harvest e-mail addresses to spam.

Examples:

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