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Trying to figure out before the train was changed to the SD7 with a baggage and a coach. 

I'm looking to do a steam era up to early Tiger Stripe SD7 Redwood.

Would the PMT cars have been the Black NWP Overnights also would the coach have been a 60' or 72' and would the 10-1-2 sleeper have been a SP sleeper?

Thanks in Advance

Nick Lorusso 

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Interesting topic. I do not have any feedback on your question though.

Looking at the number of cars between stops I'm wondering if along the way 1-2 cars were left at Ukiah, Willits, Fernbridge, etc. and then picked up again on the return train?

Nick...The coaches would have been a 60' car (if NWP ownership).  These were numbered 450-458.  The 458 still survives (R&LHS).  NWP still listed 4 60-CC coaches on the roster in 1945, 3 in 1950 but only 2 in 1953.  All were gone with the introduction of the lightweight "Redwood" in 1957.  Of course, SP 72' cars could have subbed on the NWP as well.  NWP did not roster any Pullman cars, but used SP sleepers.  I don't know about 10-1-2's, but the 6-3 sleeper Glen Mar and the 8-1-2 sleeper River Bay were both photographed in Eureka on May 24, 1952.

Bob Hogan

Good info thank you.

Nick -- a segment extracted from my working manuscript on the history of the Union Lumber Company and its California Western Railroad:

"With California PUC’s approval the new train made its first run on June 2, 1956 the same date that saw the final trip of NWP's overnight “Passenger.”   . . .While the SP’s Bayshore Shops were adapting the lightweight streamlined coaches for NWP service, the “new” train began service using two to three of the same sorts of rented Southern Pacific “Harriman”-era steel coaches, albeit with air conditioning equipment and long-distance reclining seats that had largely been added to the fleet of such cars in the 1930s and ‘40s.

The exterior of one of these chair cars, SP No. 2316, was specially painted in Southern Pacific’s newer aluminum-silver with black-pinstriped scarlet letterboards, if only to provide auxiliary seating on the occasional days when a large tourist charter group might swell travel aboard the Redwood. The other elderly chair carsserved their make-do roles in SP’s more mundane 2-tone gray paint.1   By June 2nd, 1956 the freshly renovated lightweight stainless steel chair car, SP No. 2427 was ready to go north to the NWP. Its exterior gleamed in buffed stainless, with the same scarlet and black-striped letterboards and its lower flanks were nicely adorned with a set of stainless steel rectangular panels smartly lettered with the train’s name in black-outlined vivid orange speed script and SP’s standard “flying sun” emblem in scarlet. A similar sister car (without the train name on its side panels), SP No.2201, served for overflow traffic and permitted storage at Tiburon of the far older Harriman chair car except on rare busier occasions."2

1 Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol. 1: Coaches and Chair Cars (Pasadena, CA: Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society, 2003), 188. See also Stindt, Northwestern Pacific Railroad, Vol. 2: 53-55.

2 Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol. 1: Coaches and Chair Cars (Pasadena, CA: Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society, 2003), 282-3; 285.



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