Railroad crossing Sonoma Creek bridge (looking for pictures) Schellville - Northwestern Pacific Railroad Network2024-03-29T10:32:25Zhttp://nwprr.net/forum/topics/railroad-crossing-sonoma-creek-bridge-looking-for-pictures?commentId=3290209%3AComment%3A192812&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBoy, egg on my face. That d…tag:nwprr.net,2019-04-19:3290209:Comment:1927232019-04-19T23:52:05.485ZJon Heithttp://nwprr.net/profile/JonHeit
<p>Boy, egg on my face. That depot was in Kenwood, not Glen Ellen. </p>
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<p>I think the building that was the Depot at the entrance to Sonoma Mission Inn is Boyes Hot Springs a bit farther north than El Verano.</p>
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<p>Boy, egg on my face. That depot was in Kenwood, not Glen Ellen. </p>
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<p>I think the building that was the Depot at the entrance to Sonoma Mission Inn is Boyes Hot Springs a bit farther north than El Verano.</p>
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<p></p> Hello fellows. Jon Heit here…tag:nwprr.net,2019-04-19:3290209:Comment:1928122019-04-19T23:03:39.935ZJon Heithttp://nwprr.net/profile/JonHeit
<p>Hello fellows. Jon Heit here, still around since 2012. I was reading the posts again and I pulled out my 1936 map. If it's of any help, on the west side of Sonoma Creek, going towards Santa Rosa, the stops on the SP were Agua Caliente, then Sobre Vista then crossed to the east side of the creek to Eldridge then Glen Ellen. Thus the crossing of the creek back to the east side. On the NWP side (the east side), Sonoma, Verano, Fetter Springs and terminates at Eldridge. This fits with…</p>
<p>Hello fellows. Jon Heit here, still around since 2012. I was reading the posts again and I pulled out my 1936 map. If it's of any help, on the west side of Sonoma Creek, going towards Santa Rosa, the stops on the SP were Agua Caliente, then Sobre Vista then crossed to the east side of the creek to Eldridge then Glen Ellen. Thus the crossing of the creek back to the east side. On the NWP side (the east side), Sonoma, Verano, Fetter Springs and terminates at Eldridge. This fits with personal on the ground experience on bicycle on my part. All the Railroad Streets, or Avenues or Roads are on the west side of the Creek. There are no structures left. Any SP station to the east side of the creek would have to be Eldridge or beyond Glen Ellen, but SP by 1936 had abandoned the line the rest of the way to Santa Rosa. As you probably know, Glen Ellen has that beautiful, I think 1912 (probably built same time as Santa Rosa's) Depot that was set up for SP on the west side and NWP on the east. But NWP never make it that far up valley---since they already had connection to Santa Rosa along today's 101, the had little incentive. SP no longer needed the rest of that line after the 1930s since they took over NWP. There is still the NWP depot in I believe Verano right off 12 at the entrance to the Sonoma Mission Inn. That's on the east side of the creek, but is NWP not SP originally. If you'd like to see the 1936 map when you are in the area, I am at my business location, 1067 Horizon Dr in Fairfield CA, 94533, 707-428-5300 Weekdays until 6pm and Saturdays until 3pm.</p>
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Checking to see if y…tag:nwprr.net,2019-04-19:3290209:Comment:1929272019-04-19T21:55:52.793ZBob Burnshttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobBurns
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<p>Checking to see if you are still out there!</p>
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<p>We'll be in Schellville Apr29 to May 2nd!</p>
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<p>Get in touch with me at my email vft32@hotmail.com!</p>
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<p>Patriciai Cullinan sent me a plot map from the 1920'a that shows a SPRR Depot East of Hwy 12!</p>
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<p>Bob burns</p>
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<p>Checking to see if you are still out there!</p>
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<p>We'll be in Schellville Apr29 to May 2nd!</p>
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<p>Get in touch with me at my email vft32@hotmail.com!</p>
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<p>Patriciai Cullinan sent me a plot map from the 1920'a that shows a SPRR Depot East of Hwy 12!</p>
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<p>Bob burns</p> Patrick, Check yer email in a…tag:nwprr.net,2012-04-05:3290209:Comment:702062012-04-05T03:54:58.660ZBob Burnshttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobBurns
<p>Patrick, Check yer email in a bit.</p>
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<p>Bob B.</p>
<p>Patrick, Check yer email in a bit.</p>
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<p>Bob B.</p> Bob, email me the photos at p…tag:nwprr.net,2012-04-05:3290209:Comment:701162012-04-05T02:56:46.678ZPatrick hellenhttp://nwprr.net/profile/Patrickhellen
Bob, email me the photos at phellen@sbcglobal.net. I will show the names to my dad and grandmother. My grandma grew up on the west side of Sonoma creek. Green acre ranch. Right over the 121 bridge from Millerick road. I'm sure she knew everyone you mentioned. I will get back to you through email. Can't wait for the pictures.
Bob, email me the photos at phellen@sbcglobal.net. I will show the names to my dad and grandmother. My grandma grew up on the west side of Sonoma creek. Green acre ranch. Right over the 121 bridge from Millerick road. I'm sure she knew everyone you mentioned. I will get back to you through email. Can't wait for the pictures. Patrick
We're gonna have…tag:nwprr.net,2012-04-05:3290209:Comment:701152012-04-05T02:04:31.663ZBob Burnshttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobBurns
<p>Patrick</p>
<p> We're gonna have to get together to compare notes! I went to school with Dianes brothers and cousin Mark Lobsinger. Also went to school with Mike Kiser, Gary's cousin I believe. Was Pete Kiser Garys dad, I don't remember. Pete was agreat guy, I remember him driving into town in his Horseless Carriage with his duter and goggles on! I've traded emails with Becky Larson and sent her some photos of Neuman's Auto Camp and a couple related to the Circle M. She was trying to…</p>
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<p> We're gonna have to get together to compare notes! I went to school with Dianes brothers and cousin Mark Lobsinger. Also went to school with Mike Kiser, Gary's cousin I believe. Was Pete Kiser Garys dad, I don't remember. Pete was agreat guy, I remember him driving into town in his Horseless Carriage with his duter and goggles on! I've traded emails with Becky Larson and sent her some photos of Neuman's Auto Camp and a couple related to the Circle M. She was trying to setup a get together for me of Schellville people that remembered my grandparents Anton and Emma Neuman and possibly my mother Rosa Neuman. We were going to stay at your Grandpa's house, but the winter of 2010 was too wet for us to get there. I'd still like to do that as I know time marches on. I think one is of a race horse that was owned by the Millericks. The blacksmith was Anotn Werner, nephew of Anton Neuman, my grandfather. If you PM me with an email address I'll email you the Schellvile photos I have so you can show them to your dad. Does the name Richard Jansen sound familiar? He was an old ships carpenter that carved duck decoys. He lived on the Sonoma Creek just above Hwy 37. Apparently he spent alot of time at Neuman's, as my grandfather also was a squarerigger sailor before he went into steam and then retired to Schellville to build Neuman's. Another name I remember from my time growing up with my grandparents after my mother died is Frank Marshall. I think I was told he was a rodeo promoter or something like that. Adolf Schrempp from Burndale Road? Do you know who is living in the Auto Camp cabins or who owns the property? I'd like to be able to sometime walk around the area and try to figure out where things were. There used to be a large grove of trees across 8th St, west of the Depot which was quite the "hobo jungle" for many years, those trees are gone now. I'd like to go down to Wingo someday to see the bridge. When we used to go fishing with my Grandfather we would go down the west bank of Sonoma Creek to where the boat was chained up. Then we'd head down the sloughs and go under a trestle or bridge, I don't remember a lift bridge, I DO remember we had to be back before the tide came in and once everybody was in the bottom of the boat to clear the trestle.</p>
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<p>Bob Burns</p> Bob, Yes i live in Sonoma. Ji…tag:nwprr.net,2012-04-05:3290209:Comment:699522012-04-05T01:06:53.944ZPatrick hellenhttp://nwprr.net/profile/Patrickhellen
<p>Bob, Yes i live in Sonoma. Jim Millerick was my Grandpa. My grandpa's Uncle Jack ran the Millerick Brothers Rodeo. After my grandpa came back from the War he ran the Rodeo until the 50's. Then went back into the Airforce and flew B-52's for SAC until a heart attack ended his Military career. My Grandpa owned the property on Millerick Road from the cattle guard to camp 2 and the field across from the pump house. My grandpa's Sister married and Larson and the winery and vineyard sits where the…</p>
<p>Bob, Yes i live in Sonoma. Jim Millerick was my Grandpa. My grandpa's Uncle Jack ran the Millerick Brothers Rodeo. After my grandpa came back from the War he ran the Rodeo until the 50's. Then went back into the Airforce and flew B-52's for SAC until a heart attack ended his Military career. My Grandpa owned the property on Millerick Road from the cattle guard to camp 2 and the field across from the pump house. My grandpa's Sister married and Larson and the winery and vineyard sits where the Rodeo grounds were. The house my Grandpa grew up in is now a bed and breakfast for Larson Family Winery. My Grandpa use to tell me about Yo's, Neumans and the Blacksmth shop. Along with all kinds of stuff in Sonoma. He told me when i was younger that he never saw the bridge over sonoma creek. Was already gone. They took out the track hill to the bridge from broadway in the late 60's to plant a vineyard. The ground was always rocky when farming that area. I actually Know Diane. She went to school with my Mom. Diane is fighting bad Cancer. My dad and Gary Kiser owned Camp 2 until 1999 when we sold it the Fish and Game. We even owned the 80 acre piece across the tracks on the wingo side. The Ramal-Wingo rail line came through that area where the turn table bridge is in schell slough. Every Thanksgiving my dad, grandpa and I would drive down to Wingo and have a drink with Alice who was the only permanent resident of Wingo. Still cooked on a wood stove. The ranch had a hobo living on it from the days when workers rode the trains to find work. We called Him shorty (Vince Buller). He past away mid 90'S. He actually came into the ranch from the Schellville Depot. I'm a younger generation but still have seen a lot and know alot in the schellville area. I really want to find a picture of the damn bridge!!!! ;-)</p>
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I'd be interested in…tag:nwprr.net,2012-04-04:3290209:Comment:699512012-04-04T23:57:49.818ZBob Burnshttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobBurns
<p>Jon</p>
<p> I'd be interested in seeing the 1935 map info for Schellville and the Millerick Rd area. I'm not sure when the highway was realigned but it used to cross a little farther south than it does now. I'm trying to "visualize" where my grandparents place, Neuman's Auto Camp, was one Millerick Rd in relation to the Hwy. I know where the cabins were/are on millerick Rd, but not the rest of the complex.</p>
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<p> I'd be interested in seeing the 1935 map info for Schellville and the Millerick Rd area. I'm not sure when the highway was realigned but it used to cross a little farther south than it does now. I'm trying to "visualize" where my grandparents place, Neuman's Auto Camp, was one Millerick Rd in relation to the Hwy. I know where the cabins were/are on millerick Rd, but not the rest of the complex.</p>
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<p>Bob B.</p> Patrick,
You could try…tag:nwprr.net,2012-04-04:3290209:Comment:699482012-04-04T23:51:45.787ZBob Burnshttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobBurns
<p>Patrick,</p>
<p> You could try contacting Diane Moll at the Sonoma Depot Museum, she told me they have quite a bit of railroad info. Google it for contact info, I don't have it right now. Do you still live in Sonoma? Would your father remember Neuman's Auto Camp south of the Shellvile Firehouse on Millerick Rd. Do you remember the blacksmith in Schellville across the tracks from the Depot? Seems we used to go fishing at Camp 2, is that Turkey Point or is that another place on the…</p>
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<p> You could try contacting Diane Moll at the Sonoma Depot Museum, she told me they have quite a bit of railroad info. Google it for contact info, I don't have it right now. Do you still live in Sonoma? Would your father remember Neuman's Auto Camp south of the Shellvile Firehouse on Millerick Rd. Do you remember the blacksmith in Schellville across the tracks from the Depot? Seems we used to go fishing at Camp 2, is that Turkey Point or is that another place on the sloughs? My Dad worked for the Sonoma Land Company 1935-1940, and Uncle and cousin about the same time.</p>
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<p> </p> I started to type and seem to…tag:nwprr.net,2012-04-03:3290209:Comment:700472012-04-03T03:56:35.357ZJon Heithttp://nwprr.net/profile/JonHeit
<p>I started to type and seem to have lost the text. Anyway, I figure you know better when they abandoned that part of the line----it was redundant once they owned the NWP on the east side of the valley anyway. If they abandoned it at the same time as the Wingo-Ramal branch, that would have been April 1933. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.abandonedrails.com/Wingo-Union_Branch" target="_blank">http://www.abandonedrails.com/Wingo-Union_Branch</a></p>
<p>Great photos of what's left too. Sure would…</p>
<p>I started to type and seem to have lost the text. Anyway, I figure you know better when they abandoned that part of the line----it was redundant once they owned the NWP on the east side of the valley anyway. If they abandoned it at the same time as the Wingo-Ramal branch, that would have been April 1933. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.abandonedrails.com/Wingo-Union_Branch" target="_blank">http://www.abandonedrails.com/Wingo-Union_Branch</a></p>
<p>Great photos of what's left too. Sure would like to help you with your quest.</p>
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