NWPRR Freight - Northwestern Pacific Railroad Network2024-03-29T01:36:24Zhttp://nwprr.net/forum/topics/nwprr-freight?commentId=3290209%3AComment%3A188233&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRichard,
Too many big trucks…tag:nwprr.net,2019-02-07:3290209:Comment:1904302019-02-07T17:13:49.876ZFred M. Cainhttp://nwprr.net/profile/FredMCain
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Too many big trucks on the highways is a serious problem not only in the Bay Area but all over the country. It's gotten so bad in the Upper Midwest that I dread riding on an Interstate Highway anywhere. What I'd love to see (and it's been talked about) is the concept of putting tolls on the Interstates. If the people and especially trucks have to pay for them directly from the toll booths that might make rail more competitive. I realize that U.S. 101 really isn't a true…</p>
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Too many big trucks on the highways is a serious problem not only in the Bay Area but all over the country. It's gotten so bad in the Upper Midwest that I dread riding on an Interstate Highway anywhere. What I'd love to see (and it's been talked about) is the concept of putting tolls on the Interstates. If the people and especially trucks have to pay for them directly from the toll booths that might make rail more competitive. I realize that U.S. 101 really isn't a true interstate but it is interstate-like since so much of it is limited access (i.e. "freeway").</p>
<p>Could tolls on U.S. 101 possibly make a renewed rail line from Eureka to the North Bay area more viable? Quite a bit of speculation there. I honestly don't know. But it's difficult to see how it could hurt.</p>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Fred M. Cain</p> There are a number of very la…tag:nwprr.net,2018-11-01:3290209:Comment:1884342018-11-01T22:37:36.367ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>There are a number of very large disposal sites in the Western US that are more than happy to take all the garbage anybody sends them... for a price. There's one in Nevada, I believe, that is served by rail. They are way the hell and gone out in the middle of nowhere and there aren't any neighbors to complain about them. At some point, rail is going to be the only way to move garbage to these remote sites when the local landfills are filled. Otherwise, there will be nothing but garbage…</p>
<p>There are a number of very large disposal sites in the Western US that are more than happy to take all the garbage anybody sends them... for a price. There's one in Nevada, I believe, that is served by rail. They are way the hell and gone out in the middle of nowhere and there aren't any neighbors to complain about them. At some point, rail is going to be the only way to move garbage to these remote sites when the local landfills are filled. Otherwise, there will be nothing but garbage trucks on all of our highways, hauling trash out of the area.</p> Yes, you are correct. The row…tag:nwprr.net,2018-11-01:3290209:Comment:1883372018-11-01T22:23:20.703ZChuck Mathishttp://nwprr.net/profile/ChuckMathis98
<p>Yes, you are correct. The row has been gone for some time. No, it would not be wise to approach such an idea in any North Bay forum. The issue of refuse disposal is a touchy one. Doing it by rail just increases the regional resistance. The Sonoma landfills just were not envisioned for the massive growth, and it's biproduct, waste. Aggregates in and waste out are popular ideas to increase rail traffic. However, I would hate to see the gains made by the local railroad reduced by increased…</p>
<p>Yes, you are correct. The row has been gone for some time. No, it would not be wise to approach such an idea in any North Bay forum. The issue of refuse disposal is a touchy one. Doing it by rail just increases the regional resistance. The Sonoma landfills just were not envisioned for the massive growth, and it's biproduct, waste. Aggregates in and waste out are popular ideas to increase rail traffic. However, I would hate to see the gains made by the local railroad reduced by increased nimby resistance. My point is that I don't think it prudent, at this particular time, for the railroad to be inadvertently be in the middle of one of today's big question. That is, "who's backyard is ok for another to be used as a trash depository"? Maybe a Statewide, or multi regional, solution might be necessary to resolve the "WHERE". Then, the shortlines could join in as an effective, cost effective solution for the transportation of refuse. I don't believe that they should lead the charge. Just my thoughts........</p> Why? Let me count the ways!…tag:nwprr.net,2018-11-01:3290209:Comment:1882442018-11-01T21:04:05.073ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>Why? Let me count the ways!</p>
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<p>First off, the ROW out from Petaluma to its former terminus at Two Rock has been permanently built over. Most recently, Petaluma built a street on top of it a few years ago where it intersected with Petaluma Boulevard North/Old Redwood highway. There's a big gas station on top of it on the north side, as well.</p>
<p>That ROW has been abandoned for decades and decades. You may think that those "plenty of empty, unused, and hidden valleys out towards…</p>
<p>Why? Let me count the ways!</p>
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<p>First off, the ROW out from Petaluma to its former terminus at Two Rock has been permanently built over. Most recently, Petaluma built a street on top of it a few years ago where it intersected with Petaluma Boulevard North/Old Redwood highway. There's a big gas station on top of it on the north side, as well.</p>
<p>That ROW has been abandoned for decades and decades. You may think that those "plenty of empty, unused, and hidden valleys out towards the coastal ranches" are "just sitting, unused," but I guarantee you, they are all owned by somebody and the cost of buying back that ROW would be astronomical.</p>
<p>Moreover, the cost of development in the area doesn't pencil out. There is no infrastructure. Construction of adequate roads, public utilities, retail space, and all the rest necessary to develop housing, plus the cost of the housing itself, and the land costs, not to mention the endless environmental hurdles, is prohibitively expensive.</p>
<p>All of the land you are talking about is zoned for, and in use as, agricultural land. Most of it is grazing land. It isn't "unused."</p>
<p>If you are looking to get run out of Sonoma County on a rail, just bring up the idea at any public meeting. I'd advise not doing so!</p> Not a troll, but I have an id…tag:nwprr.net,2018-11-01:3290209:Comment:1882412018-11-01T18:15:07.029ZChuck Mathishttp://nwprr.net/profile/ChuckMathis98
<p>Not a troll, but I have an idea. Why can't Sonoma County rebuild the rail, on mostly existing ROW, from Petaluma, towards all of the unused land in West County? There are plenty of empty, unused, and hidden valleys out towards the coastal ranches. West of Sebastopol proper, Bloomfield, or even as far out as Bodega. Leaving these open and available valleys just sit, unused, is senseless. They will never be developed for Section 8, subdivisions, or other much needed habitat.</p>
<p>Not a troll, but I have an idea. Why can't Sonoma County rebuild the rail, on mostly existing ROW, from Petaluma, towards all of the unused land in West County? There are plenty of empty, unused, and hidden valleys out towards the coastal ranches. West of Sebastopol proper, Bloomfield, or even as far out as Bodega. Leaving these open and available valleys just sit, unused, is senseless. They will never be developed for Section 8, subdivisions, or other much needed habitat.</p> The Redwood landfill would se…tag:nwprr.net,2018-11-01:3290209:Comment:1883352018-11-01T05:10:37.939ZRichard C. Brandhttp://nwprr.net/profile/RichardCBrand
<p>The Redwood landfill would seem to be a perfect place to set up a garbage transfer station. It is right on the NWP RoW and not anywhere close to residential properties. But are the County commissioners considering this option or just have their head in the sand? </p>
<p>I can tell you as a new farmer here, we have a lot of field cuttings and a small amount of garbage. While Mecham Rd is a good recycling place (and junk picking too) they discourage trash. </p>
<p>Looks like I need to go…</p>
<p>The Redwood landfill would seem to be a perfect place to set up a garbage transfer station. It is right on the NWP RoW and not anywhere close to residential properties. But are the County commissioners considering this option or just have their head in the sand? </p>
<p>I can tell you as a new farmer here, we have a lot of field cuttings and a small amount of garbage. While Mecham Rd is a good recycling place (and junk picking too) they discourage trash. </p>
<p>Looks like I need to go to County Commission meetings as well as SMART.</p>
<p>Where is our troll from San Rafael or Petaluma when we need his input? </p> In south Napa county, just no…tag:nwprr.net,2018-10-31:3290209:Comment:1882352018-10-31T14:10:50.802ZDave S.http://nwprr.net/profile/dms
<p>In south Napa county, just north of Lombard, there is a garbage transfer station with a rail connection:</p>
<p><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/fmqPmNiPX7M2" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/fmqPmNiPX7M2</a></p>
<p>For many years I used to see the CFNR garbage trains go by my office near Cordelia, 2 inbound and 2 outbound trips per day. That was until about 10-15 years ago when, by some miracle, it suddenly became cheaper to truck the garbage away. I simply assumed (without evidence) that…</p>
<p>In south Napa county, just north of Lombard, there is a garbage transfer station with a rail connection:</p>
<p><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/fmqPmNiPX7M2" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/fmqPmNiPX7M2</a></p>
<p>For many years I used to see the CFNR garbage trains go by my office near Cordelia, 2 inbound and 2 outbound trips per day. That was until about 10-15 years ago when, by some miracle, it suddenly became cheaper to truck the garbage away. I simply assumed (without evidence) that the garbage company finally got mobbed-up and were made "an offer they couldn't refuse" to use truckers.</p>
<p>The trains were going to some dump in Wash. State. Don't know where the garbage is being trucked to now.</p>
<p>How on earth can trucking a bulk waste commodity like garbage be cheaper than train transport? I had always held out hope that the truckers would win their first contract, but upon renewal it would be back to trains. Sadly, that never happened.</p>
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<p>From Waste 360, 1995-08-01:</p>
<h1>Napa Valley, Calif., Implements Waste-By-Rail Program (1995)</h1>
<p><a href="https://www.waste360.com/mag/waste_napa_valley_calif" target="_blank">https://www.waste360.com/mag/waste_napa_valley_calif</a></p>
<p></p> yes, petaluma dumps their ref…tag:nwprr.net,2018-10-31:3290209:Comment:1881232018-10-31T02:29:08.562ZSteve Atniphttp://nwprr.net/profile/SteveAtnip663
<p>yes, petaluma dumps their refuse there</p>
<p>yes, petaluma dumps their refuse there</p> I'd expect there'd be plenty…tag:nwprr.net,2018-10-31:3290209:Comment:1882332018-10-31T00:30:54.637ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>I'd expect there'd be plenty of places north of Santa Rosa where a transfer station could be built that could serve the entire north coast. Willits would work. The farther north you go, the less NIMBY it gets. How do they expect to handle the garbage in, say, twenty years, when Mechum and Redwood Sanitary are filled and the population has increased beyond what we can even imagine right now? Their only option will be barging it down the Petaluma River, but I doubt anybody will get away with…</p>
<p>I'd expect there'd be plenty of places north of Santa Rosa where a transfer station could be built that could serve the entire north coast. Willits would work. The farther north you go, the less NIMBY it gets. How do they expect to handle the garbage in, say, twenty years, when Mechum and Redwood Sanitary are filled and the population has increased beyond what we can even imagine right now? Their only option will be barging it down the Petaluma River, but I doubt anybody will get away with dumping garbage into the ocean anymore. They are going to have to go to huge central landfill sites in the middle of nowhere in Nevada and Utah and that really means hauling it by rail. </p> The landfill at Mecham just g…tag:nwprr.net,2018-10-30:3290209:Comment:1884242018-10-30T23:35:26.966ZC Glovehttp://nwprr.net/profile/ChadGlover
<p>The landfill at Mecham just got a 20yr extension before the fires and used up about 5 years worth because of the fires. I drove past it the middle of the cleanup and trucks were lined up Stony Point road. I heard was over a 2hr wait just to get in there </p>
<p>I have a friend that drives compacted garbage from Eureka to Willits where another driver takes it to Livermore and the dump there. I would assume that all the garbage from Willits north gets taken there.</p>
<p>garbage would seem…</p>
<p>The landfill at Mecham just got a 20yr extension before the fires and used up about 5 years worth because of the fires. I drove past it the middle of the cleanup and trucks were lined up Stony Point road. I heard was over a 2hr wait just to get in there </p>
<p>I have a friend that drives compacted garbage from Eureka to Willits where another driver takes it to Livermore and the dump there. I would assume that all the garbage from Willits north gets taken there.</p>
<p>garbage would seem to be a great source of money but where in Sonoma County( I can think of a few spots in Ukiah and Willits) can you build a transfer station? Doesn't seem to be a lot of sites that would work....can you say NIMBY's Todd Rd or north of River Rd, ??</p>