Anybody remember UK train visiting Sausalito in Late '60's or early '70's. - Northwestern Pacific Railroad Network2024-03-28T23:47:08Zhttp://nwprr.net/forum/topics/anybody-remember-uk-train-visiting-sausalito-in-late-60-s-or?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks, Tommy! Great article…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-29:3290209:Comment:1170942014-01-29T22:33:50.663ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>Thanks, Tommy! Great article. You realize, of course, that in such interviews Hayden was "on stage," presenting a carefully crafted personal developed over a lifetime. Not that it wasn't true. No mistake about it. He was "the real deal," but I think he enjoyed playing the role of "Sterling Hayden" more than anything else.</p>
<p>Thanks, Tommy! Great article. You realize, of course, that in such interviews Hayden was "on stage," presenting a carefully crafted personal developed over a lifetime. Not that it wasn't true. No mistake about it. He was "the real deal," but I think he enjoyed playing the role of "Sterling Hayden" more than anything else.</p> Bob:
Bob, Here's something…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-29:3290209:Comment:1169932014-01-29T21:36:51.154ZTommy Tommyhttp://nwprr.net/profile/TommyTommy
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<p>Bob, Here's something on the Hayden car. The thing about it being Hayden's daughter may be related to an IRS attempt to take the car from Hayden over tax issue. </p>
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<p>This is from a 1968 article reprinted here: …</p>
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<p>Bob, Here's something on the Hayden car. The thing about it being Hayden's daughter may be related to an IRS attempt to take the car from Hayden over tax issue. </p>
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<p>This is from a 1968 article reprinted here: <a href="http://saltwaterpeoplehistoricalsociety.blogspot.com/2011/10/sterling-hayden-wandering-windship-man.html" target="_blank">http://saltwaterpeoplehistoricalsociety.blogspot.com/2011/10/sterling-hayden-wandering-windship-man.html</a></p>
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<p> Hayden the social critic is only slightly different from Hayden the windship man. When he started his novel two years ago he looked for a place to work where he wouldn't be distracted by 'a houseful of kids.' His first thought was a railway caboose.<br/> 'There's something complete and self-contained about a caboose. Like a ship, only cheaper. About $600, but I couldn't find one.<br/> Then the CB&Q railroad in Chicago offered me an executive car built in 1890. The price is a secret between me and CB&Q. The date of the car's origin struck me as significant--only six years prior to the year (1896) my novel deals with.'<br/> An executive car is about the size of the private railway cars built for the tycoons of that era, but less ornate, more functional. The one Hayden bought has an oil-burning heating system, a brass bed secured to the bulkheads of the master stateroom, two smaller staterooms, something railroaders call a 'Kitchen' and a spacious office area aft.<br/> Hayden arranged to have his car towed to Sausalito behind a freight train. He calls it 'the best land voyage I've ever made.' He also arranged to park the car on a Sausalito railroad spur hidden by a building and an embankment, giving him almost complete privacy, but with a view of San Francisco Bay and the rotting GALILEE, a dismasted bark killed off the Australian trade in her prime by the coming of steam.<br/> The workroom reflects Hayden's character--his things are sturdy and old, like the teapot he uses to brew tea so strong a mouse could walk on it. One of his two typewriters, an ancient Underwood, is reminiscent of clicking telegraph keys. The other is a modern machine on a desk so high the big man can stand before it as he works.<br/> 'I'd rather sit, but my war-time back (he was hurt in a parachute jump) bothers me if I sit for any length of time.'<br/> And there he looked at the bay and worked for two years on his novel. It deals with the social and moral revolution he sees attuned to 1896, the year of Bryan, silver, and social evolution. That was a year, too, of windjammer men, wandering windship men. It may have been a very significant year.<br/> Hayden thinks so."</p> Interesting website! Thanks.…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-24:3290209:Comment:1163742014-01-24T18:41:47.533ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>Interesting website! Thanks.</p>
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<p>Yes, "them were the days..." but, believe me, they grew in the telling.</p>
<p>Interesting website! Thanks.</p>
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<p>Yes, "them were the days..." but, believe me, they grew in the telling.</p> Bob I foudn this website last…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-24:3290209:Comment:1165922014-01-24T05:49:44.351ZTommy Tommyhttp://nwprr.net/profile/TommyTommy
<p>Bob I foudn this website last night. I thought it was pretty cool. Wild time to live in Sausalito! </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.tridentrestaurant.com/" target="_blank">http://www.tridentrestaurant.com/</a></p>
<p>Bob I foudn this website last night. I thought it was pretty cool. Wild time to live in Sausalito! </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.tridentrestaurant.com/" target="_blank">http://www.tridentrestaurant.com/</a></p> Bob...
The entire train did…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-22:3290209:Comment:1160772014-01-22T21:14:25.617ZRobert Hoganhttp://nwprr.net/profile/RobertHogan
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<p>The entire train did depart the SF embarcadero on Western Pacific's rail ferry, so it DID get a little closer to Sausalito than you might have thought as she backed out of pier 43 and headed east to Oakland. So for real, no Altzheimers yet! ;-)</p>
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<p>The entire train did depart the SF embarcadero on Western Pacific's rail ferry, so it DID get a little closer to Sausalito than you might have thought as she backed out of pier 43 and headed east to Oakland. So for real, no Altzheimers yet! ;-)</p>
<p>Bob Hogan</p> Thanks for the video URL... I…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-17:3290209:Comment:1148702014-01-17T04:27:59.191ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>Thanks for the video URL... I'd never seen those interviews. It was weird watching them. He was as old then as I am now. It's always amazing to see how totally comfortable that guy was in his own skin. I had a mentor and close friend in college, now long gone. He served in the OSS with Hayden in Yugoslavia with Tito and the Partisans. A lot of those OSS guys were like Hayden... educated, serious thinkers, and wild and crazy at the same time. Most flirted with the Communist Party in…</p>
<p>Thanks for the video URL... I'd never seen those interviews. It was weird watching them. He was as old then as I am now. It's always amazing to see how totally comfortable that guy was in his own skin. I had a mentor and close friend in college, now long gone. He served in the OSS with Hayden in Yugoslavia with Tito and the Partisans. A lot of those OSS guys were like Hayden... educated, serious thinkers, and wild and crazy at the same time. Most flirted with the Communist Party in their youth. The McCarthy "Red Scare" thing really destroyed a lot of America's "brain trust" across the board with the black listing and all. It really broke Hayden's spirit in many ways. Even though his friends forgave him, or so it's said, he never forgave himself for testifying against others to HUAC. They treated him pretty shabbily for a guy who'd earned a Silver Star. I think it left him feeling like neither fish nor fowl, thinking neither side trusted any more. That probably had a lot to do with the drinking and depression that he battled most of his later life.</p> cool memories Bob. Did you se…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-17:3290209:Comment:1148672014-01-17T00:32:11.747ZTommy Tommyhttp://nwprr.net/profile/TommyTommy
<p>cool memories Bob. Did you see this interview with Hayden done in Sausalito circa 1980 maybe?: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTeyP5MglZg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTeyP5MglZg</a></p>
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<p>The thing about Hayden working at the Donahue building/Tiburon Depot came from a remembrance in the Pacific Sun a few years after his death. A guy recalled going and meeting Hayden there. At the time Hayden was living in Belvedere. Fred Codoni confirmed these facts.</p>
<p>cool memories Bob. Did you see this interview with Hayden done in Sausalito circa 1980 maybe?: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTeyP5MglZg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTeyP5MglZg</a></p>
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<p>The thing about Hayden working at the Donahue building/Tiburon Depot came from a remembrance in the Pacific Sun a few years after his death. A guy recalled going and meeting Hayden there. At the time Hayden was living in Belvedere. Fred Codoni confirmed these facts.</p> Bob Hogan posted this to me i…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-17:3290209:Comment:1148662014-01-17T00:23:55.346ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>Bob Hogan posted this to me instead of here:</p>
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<p>At 4:03pm on January 16, 2014, <a class="fn url" href="http://nwprr.net/profile/RobertHogan"><span class="dy-avatar dy-avatar-48"><img alt="" class="photo" height="48" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935747514?profile=RESIZE_180x180" width="48"></img></span> Robert Hogan</a> said…</p>
<div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Alan Pegler's ex-LNE Flying Scotsman 4-6-2 and a British passenger train (8 cars I think) steamed down through central California on the Western Pacific and into Oakland on September 27, 1971. This was the end of a national…</p>
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<p>Bob Hogan posted this to me instead of here:</p>
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<p>At 4:03pm on January 16, 2014, <a class="fn url" href="http://nwprr.net/profile/RobertHogan"><span class="dy-avatar dy-avatar-48"><img width="48" height="48" class="photo" alt="" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935747514?profile=RESIZE_180x180"/></span>Robert Hogan</a> said…</p>
<div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Alan Pegler's ex-LNE Flying Scotsman 4-6-2 and a British passenger train (8 cars I think) steamed down through central California on the Western Pacific and into Oakland on September 27, 1971. This was the end of a national tour for the train.</p>
<p>The Flying Scotsman and train then operated a three car passenger train along the San Francisco embarcadero on the S.F. Belt Railway during the spring of 1972. Perhaps this is what is remembered. Ultimately the entire train was pulled back to Stockton on the WP and placed in storage at the Army Supply base. Later the "Flying Scotsman" locomotive, a famous and well-loved steamer in the UK, was returned to the UK and remains in steam there to this day.</p>
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<p>Yep, Flying Dutchman, Flying Scotsman.... close. Thanks for the confirmation. Looks like I dodged that Altzheimer's diagnosis for a little while longer! I guess it never was in Sausalito, which makes sense. Why would they bring it all the way over there? </p>
</div> He wrote Wanderer about saili…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-16:3290209:Comment:1149372014-01-16T23:36:55.200ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>He wrote <em>Wanderer</em> about sailing to Tahiti with his four kids in defiance of a court order back in 1963, but the book was very well received and "had legs." It's still in print and a great read. (Which reminds me I ought to read it again!) <em>Wanderer</em> would have been the book he was writing then (if not later,) but about that time he was living aboard the old ferry <em>Berkeley</em> which was tied up at the Sausalito ferry slip downtown. It's entirely possible that he did…</p>
<p>He wrote <em>Wanderer</em> about sailing to Tahiti with his four kids in defiance of a court order back in 1963, but the book was very well received and "had legs." It's still in print and a great read. (Which reminds me I ought to read it again!) <em>Wanderer</em> would have been the book he was writing then (if not later,) but about that time he was living aboard the old ferry <em>Berkeley</em> which was tied up at the Sausalito ferry slip downtown. It's entirely possible that he did rent some space in Tiburon, although I don't know why he'd need to, writing a book.</p>
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<p>If you liked <em>Wanderer</em>, I think you'll enjoy his other book, <em>Voyage</em>, which was published in 1976. I believe he wrote <em>Voyage</em> while living aboard the small houseboat <em>Wooden</em> <em>Shoe,</em> which was berthed in Herb Madden's Sausalito Yacht Harbor downtown, right next to Pelican Harbor marina. I had friends that lived across the dock from him. He'd come by and have a few (well, by today's standards, more than a few) drinks with us. He used to sit out on his "back porch" in his bathrobe in the mornings and drink his coffee. The tourists had no idea who he was and we "wharf rats" didn't care. <em>Voyage</em> is about a mutiny on a turn of the century Cape Horn square rigger named <em>Neptune's Car</em> (there actually was such a ship) making its way to San Francisco. <em>Voyage</em> is a great historical novel (loosely based on a real mutiny of the era), an entirely different type of literature from the factual autobiographical <em>Wanderer</em>, but if you were a member of the Sausalito waterfront community of the time when it was written, it's a lot of fun because some of the named fictional characters in the book are <em>real</em> people who were part of the Sausalito maritime community at the time. Off hand, at the moment, I can only recall Cass Gidley, who owned Cass's sailboat rentals down by the Napa Street Pier, who was the mate. I think one of the characters was named Herb Madden, as well, but I can't remember for sure. I'll have to read the book again!</p> Right you are! I looked up t…tag:nwprr.net,2014-01-16:3290209:Comment:1151022014-01-16T23:09:51.023ZBob Cleekhttp://nwprr.net/profile/BobCleek
<p>Right you are! I looked up the location where they shot Maude's rail car home in the movie and it was actually on Oyster Point Blvd. in South San Francisco.</p>
<p>Right you are! I looked up the location where they shot Maude's rail car home in the movie and it was actually on Oyster Point Blvd. in South San Francisco.</p>